It’s Both — Living in the Messy Middle
Episodes

Tuesday Jul 22, 2025
Love Them AND Keep Your Distance: Setting Boundaries
Tuesday Jul 22, 2025
Tuesday Jul 22, 2025
What if loving someone doesn't mean letting them hurt you?
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of loving difficult people—holding compassion for them AND boundaries for yourself. About the transition anxiety of staying connected to people who drain you and the major life changes in relationships when you realize love doesn't require access. For anyone who feels guilty for needing distance from someone they love.
You'll hear about the both/and of loving someone AND protecting yourself from them, how to set boundaries without guilt or cruelty, and why emotional regulation matters when difficult people trigger you. This is about learning that love doesn't require access and holding mixed emotions (care AND limits, compassion AND self-protection).
In this episode:
- Boundaries with difficult people you love
- The anxiety of saying no to family or friends
- Mixed emotions: love and frustration, care and limits
- How to stay connected without losing yourself
- Emotional regulation when they trigger you
- Navigating major life changes in relationships
- Why distance isn't abandonment
- Grief for the relationship you wish you had
Because life isn't either/or—it's both.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
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Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
When Friendships Drift and You Don't Know How to Let Go
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
Tuesday Jul 15, 2025
CORRECTED VERSIONS - ALL 9 EPISODES
EPISODE 1: "You Can Love Them AND Keep Your Distance"
Guest: None (solo episode)
REVISED DESCRIPTION:
What if loving someone doesn't mean letting them hurt you?
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of loving difficult people—holding compassion for them AND boundaries for yourself. About the transition anxiety of staying connected to people who drain you and the major life changes in relationships when you realize love doesn't require access. For anyone who feels guilty for needing distance from someone they love.
You'll hear about the both/and of loving someone AND protecting yourself from them, how to set boundaries without guilt or cruelty, and why emotional regulation matters when difficult people trigger you. This is about learning that love doesn't require access and holding mixed emotions (care AND limits, compassion AND self-protection).
In this episode:
Boundaries with difficult people you love
The anxiety of saying no to family or friends
Mixed emotions: love and frustration, care and limits
How to stay connected without losing yourself
Emotional regulation when they trigger you
Navigating major life changes in relationships
Why distance isn't abandonment
Grief for the relationship you wish you had
Because life isn't either/or—it's both.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
It's Both on Instagram & Youtube
What if the friendship isn't over—it's just different?
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of friendship drift—that gap between who you were as friends and who you're becoming apart. About the transition anxiety of watching a friendship fade and not knowing if you should fight for it or let it go. About major life changes in relationships and holding grief for a friendship that changed.
In this episode of It's Both, host Nikki P and guest LaKreasha Scharcklet share authentic conversations about the emotional complexity of adult friendship: how grief and joy coexist, and how to set boundaries with compassion when connection feels hard. You'll hear about the both/and of loving someone AND outgrowing them, how to navigate drift without drama or blame, and why life transitions change friendships in ways you can't control. This is about holding mixed emotions (gratitude AND loss) and learning that some friendships aren't meant to last forever.
In this episode:
- The anxiety of friendship drift
- Grief for who you were together
- Navigating major life changes in friendships
- Mixed emotions: love and distance, gratitude and loss
- How to let go without drama
- Why life transitions change friendships
- Emotional regulation when you're mourning a living relationship
- Accepting that not all friendships last forever
Because life isn't either/or—it's both.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Tuesday Jul 08, 2025
When Helping Others Leads to Burnout
Tuesday Jul 08, 2025
Tuesday Jul 08, 2025
What if you went into helping work to make a difference—and now it's breaking you?
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of burnout in helping professions—teaching, therapy, social work, ministry, healthcare. About the transition anxiety and overthinking of caring too much when the system doesn't care enough. About major life changes in how you work when you're exhausted by the bothness of loving the work AND hating what it costs.
In this episode of It's Both, host Nikki P and guest Corey Alexander have authentic conversations about the emotional complexity of the helping professions—burnout, toxic work environments, and the cost of caring. You'll hear about the passion that drew you in and the burnout that's pushing you out, how overthinking every case or student keeps you up at night, and why emotional regulation is harder when you're absorbing everyone else's pain. This is about boundaries you thought you couldn't set and the grief of realizing helping work might not be sustainable.
In this episode:
- The anxiety and overthinking of caring too much
- Burnout in helping professions (teachers, therapists, social workers, ministers)
- Navigating major life changes in your career
- Boundaries in work that feels boundaryless
- Passion AND burnout (holding the bothness)
- Emotional regulation when you absorb everyone's pain
- Grief for the idealism that brought you here
- Why helping work isn't sustainable without systemic change
If you're in a helping role, nonprofit work, caregiving, or any profession built on empathy—and you're exhausted, conflicted, or questioning your limits—this episode offers clarity, language, and permission to choose yourself without shame.
Because meaningful work shouldn't cost you your mental health—and it doesn't have to be either/or.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
When Everything Feels Heavy and You're Still Grateful
Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
What if you can feel crushed by grief AND held by gratitude at the same time?
This is a solo episode about navigating the messy middle of holding mixed emotions when everything feels heavy. About the transition anxiety of major life changes when you're holding both/and: grief and gratitude, exhaustion and hope, breaking and building. For anyone who feels guilty for being grateful when they're also drowning.
I'm sharing what it means to build emotional resilience without toxic positivity, how to hold grief without letting it consume you, and why life transitions require you to feel everything—not choose between good and bad. This is about emotional regulation when the weight is real and the gratitude is too.
In this episode:
- The bothness of grief and gratitude
- Mixed emotions: heavy and hopeful at the same time
- Navigating major life changes when everything feels overwhelming
- Building emotional resilience without toxic positivity
- Emotional regulation when the weight is real
- Why life transitions require you to hold it all
- Grief as part of growth, not the opposite
Resources & Links:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
When Youth Group Taught You Fear, Not Faith
Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
What happens when the faith that was supposed to save you becomes the thing you need saving from?
Thomas Edmonds grew up in fear-based youth group culture. This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of faith transition when the religion that raised you was built on control, not connection. About the transition anxiety of leaving behind everything you were taught and the major life changes that come with deconstructing fear-based faith. For anyone wondering what's left when you strip away the shame.
Thomas shares what it's like to realize your faith was fear, how to rebuild belief without the scaffolding of punishment, and why starting over spiritually means grieving the community you lost. You'll hear about found family after leaving church family, boundaries with people still in the system, and the grief of losing certainty.
In this episode:
- Faith transition after fear-based Christianity
- The anxiety of leaving the only faith you knew
- Grief for the community you lost
- Starting over spiritually from scratch
- Fear as control in youth group culture
- Found family vs. church family
- Boundaries with people who can't accept your deconstruction
- Navigating major life changes in belief and belonging
If you're navigating an identity shift, reevaluating faith, or trying to make peace with your past without rewriting it, this episode offers language, perspective, and a way to stay grounded in the gray without overthinking what you "should" believe.
Because healing doesn't require pretending it was all bad—or all good.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Career & Motherhood: Overthinking Every Choice
Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Tuesday Jun 17, 2025
Career and motherhood both matter—so why does it still feel impossible to know if you're doing it "right"?
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of decision making when you're carrying ambition, guilt, and the anxiety of major life changes. About the gap between the working mom you want to be and the one you fear you're becoming—that space of transition anxiety where every choice feels loaded. For anyone overthinking every decision while managing work, kids, and the mental load.
Nikki P sits down with Heather Neisen for an honest, funny, and deeply relatable conversation about the working-mom tug-of-war: traveling for work, daycare judgments, identity shifts, and the quiet fear that motherhood will be seen as a "limiter" in professional spaces. Heather shares how growing up in a more traditional, patriarchal church culture shaped her beliefs about roles and sacrifice—and what changed as she built a family system outside the default script.
You'll hear practical reframes around self-compassion, values-based choices, and the role of community—including the idea that daycare is support, not failure. If you're navigating burnout, people-pleasing, or constant second-guessing, this conversation gives language for holding the tension and making choices from clarity, not shame.
In this episode:
- Decision making without guilt or overthinking every option
- Identity shifts in motherhood and career
- Boundaries around mental load and expectations
- Self-compassion when you feel like you're failing
- Navigating burnout without abandoning your ambition
- Emotional regulation tools when anxiety about judgment kicks in
- Mixed emotions: love and resentment, ambition and exhaustion
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
Grief Isn’t Either/Or: Navigating Transitions After Loss
Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
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Grief doesn't follow a straight line—and it doesn't cancel out joy.
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of grief and the transition anxiety of major life changes after profound loss. About the gap between who you were before loss and who you're becoming after—where devastation and gratitude, laughter and sorrow, can exist at the same time. For anyone holding mixed emotions after losing someone they love.
In this episode of It's Both, Nikki P sits down with Annie Paraison to explore navigating transitions after profound loss. Annie shares her experience of losing multiple loved ones—including her father and her partner—and how community, ritual, and honest self-awareness supported her through seasons of grief and growth. Together, they name the emotional paradox of loss, the difference between pain and suffering, and why healing isn't about "moving on," but learning how to stay present with what's real.
This conversation gently weaves in themes of grief and growth, mixed emotions, self-compassion, and emotional regulation—offering language for those moments when your body feels broken but life keeps inviting you forward.
If you're grieving a person, a relationship, or the life you imagined, this episode offers companionship, clarity, and permission to feel without shame—without toxic positivity or pressure to be okay.
Because healing doesn't mean choosing between sorrow and joy. Sometimes it means holding both.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Connect with Annie
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
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Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
When Friendships Add to Your Mental Load
Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
Tuesday Jun 03, 2025
What if you love your friends but can't find the energy to show up?
This is a conversation about adult friendship, burnout, and navigating the messy middle of life transitions when maintaining friendships feels impossible. About the transition anxiety of being a bad friend when you're already drowning and the major life changes in how you prioritize relationships. For anyone who wants connection but has nothing left to give.
You'll hear about long-distance friendships, childhood connections that evolved, and why adult friendship requires different energy than it used to. This is about boundaries around capacity and the grief of friendships that drifted because life got hard.
In this episode:
- The anxiety of being a "bad friend" when you're burned out
- Navigating major life changes in friendships
- Boundaries around friendship capacity
- Long-distance friendships and childhood connections
- Grief for friendships that drifted
- Why adult friendship feels harder
- Emotional regulation when you want to connect but can't
- Letting go of friendship guilt
If you're missing people you love while trying to build a life where you are, this episode offers language, relief, and a few doable ways forward—without keeping score.
Because friendships don't have to be all-or-nothing to be real.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
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Tuesday May 27, 2025
Overthinking and Burnout: The Mental Load of Motherhood
Tuesday May 27, 2025
Tuesday May 27, 2025
Are you stuck in overthinking—trying to show up well for everyone while quietly running out of yourself?
This is a solo episode about navigating the messy middle of burnout through the lens of motherhood and the mental load so many women carry every day. About the transition anxiety of major life changes in how you parent when decision fatigue, guilt, and mixed emotions compound over time. For anyone exhausted from constant awareness and wondering why burnout isn't a personal failure—it's often a capacity issue.
In this episode, host Nikki P reflects on the exhaustion of constant awareness: juggling parenting, work, relationships, health, and responsibility—while still trying to grow, heal, and be intentional. Nikki names how overthinking fuels burnout, the emotional cost of constant decision making, and why awareness alone increases overwhelm instead of clarity.
In this episode, you'll hear about:
- How overthinking fuels burnout in motherhood and care work
- The emotional cost of constant decision making and responsibility
- Why awareness alone can increase overwhelm instead of clarity
- Practicing self-compassion and emotional regulation when rest feels impossible
- Letting go of perfection while still honoring what matters
If you're navigating motherhood while feeling depleted, torn, or unsure how to sustain yourself, this episode offers language, validation, and permission to soften—without easy answers or toxic positivity. Sometimes relief doesn't come from doing more, but from listening differently.
Resources & Links:- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
- It's Both on Instagram & Youtube

Tuesday May 20, 2025
Modern Masculinity & Emotional Regulation
Tuesday May 20, 2025
Tuesday May 20, 2025
EPISODE 9: "Modern Masculinity & Emotional Regulation"
Guest: Devon Neisen
REVISED DESCRIPTION:
Modern masculinity needs emotional regulation—but most men were never taught how to build it.
This is a conversation about navigating the messy middle of identity shifts around what masculinity means. About the transition anxiety of being asked to change without being given the tools and the major life changes in how men show up in relationships, leadership, and partnership. For anyone exploring what strength looks like when it includes emotional awareness, self-regulation, and relational presence without overthinking or performing.
In this episode of It's Both, host Nikki P sits down with Devon Neisen to explore the tension many men feel today and unpack how emotional regulation supports healthier relationships, clearer boundaries, and leadership rooted in connection rather than control.
You'll hear reflections on emotional regulation, self-awareness, mixed emotions, and the cost of suppressing feelings—along with practical language for navigating vulnerability without shame or anxiety about being "too much" or "not enough." This episode offers space for nuance, compassion, and personal growth without demonizing men or romanticizing toughness.
If you're navigating masculinity, leadership, partnership, or identity shifts, this episode provides clarity for navigating transitions—without pressure to perform or toxic positivity.
In this episode, we cover:
- Emotional regulation tools for men (without shame)
- Self-awareness and mixed emotions in modern masculinity
- Boundaries that protect relationships
- How to navigate vulnerability without overthinking
- Self-compassion when you feel stuck between old and new models
- Why emotional regulation matters for leadership and partnership
Because life isn't either/or—it's both.
Get Connected & Support the Show:
- Listen to the companion podcast: It's Both- Guided Meditations for Anxiety, Emotional Regulation, & Real Life Transitions
- Listen to The Imperfect Dads Podcast
- Subscribe, rate, & review It's Both on Apple Podcasts
- Join the Courageous Living Group Transformation
- Sign up for Hungryroot and get $50 off your first box
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