It’s Both — Living in the Messy Middle
Nicole “Nikki P.” Piispanen, LPC-MHSP, is the host of It’s Both — Navigating Life’s Gray Areas & Messy Moments, the podcast for people living in the tension when both things are true and the answer isn’t clear. A therapist, nonprofit leader, and storyteller, Nikki creates space for authentic conversations that explore duality—real stories behind holding multiple truths: joy and grief, clarity and confusion, freedom and fear.
Off the mic, Nikki leads collaborative systems efforts in the nonprofit sector, designing cross-agency partnerships and reflective, trauma-informed practices that sustain helpers and improve outcomes for families. With more than a decade in mental health—from crisis response and advocacy to private practice—she’s devoted to “helping the helpers” and building teams and networks that care for the people who care for others.
Each episode offers raw conversation, self-compassion, and practical tools to build emotional resilience—without toxic positivity. If you’re in the messy middle, deconstructing faith, rebuilding identity, or moving through transitions, Nikki’s work helps you feel your feelings, embrace contradictions, and remember you’re not alone.